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Stop fucking reading this post and see the movie! Right fucking now! I'll wait...
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Count_Arioch_the_28th wrote:Stop fucking reading this post and see the movie! Right fucking now! I'll wait...
I needed this like I needed to be told to breath.

Dark Knight serius biznez.
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That movie was awesome. And Heath Ledger's performance was in fact so great that me and my friends believe we should invent a new form of reward that eclipses the Oscars just for him.
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Awesome. I'm eagerly awaiting the opportunity to go watch it, and reading this has just reminded me that my gut instincts to watch a movie are never wrong.
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I haven't seen it yet. Maybe later today...


Oh, am I alone in thinking they should just re-title the movie The Joker? He's what people are actually going to see.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.

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I have to agree, Heath's performance was amazing. I've never thought the Joker was creepy until now. Seriously creepy, awesome, but creepy job.
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Take a jizz rag with you. It is that good.

Not really a spoiler because you could get this from watching the trailer, but...
My only complaint, and it is a complaint I've had since the 1992 movie (I didn't know any better in the 1989 movie) is that the Batman I know and love wouldn't use demolitions / guns so freely if at all.

I was a regular collector throughout the 90's but stopped in 2001 or so. Maybe Batman has changed. Maybe he carries a gun now.

But I doubt it.
...but that is extremely forgivable. The movie kicked ass.

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fbmf wrote:Not really a spoiler because you could get this from watching the trailer, but...
My only complaint, and it is a complaint I've had since the 1992 movie (I didn't know any better in the 1989 movie) is that the Batman I know and love wouldn't use demolitions / guns so freely if at all.

I was a regular collector throughout the 90's but stopped in 2001 or so. Maybe Batman has changed. Maybe he carries a gun now.

But I doubt it.
...but that is extremely forgivable. The movie kicked ass.

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Kept in spoiler because fbmf's comment is spoilerized:
I could buy demolitions, since Batman's thing against guns was a psychological thing based on the fact that his parents were shot with a gun. Since Golden-Age Batman, at least, vowed to retire if he ever used a gun, profligate use of guns is kind of odd.
Edit: And BTW, I'm seeing the movie tomorrow night. I hope Arioch doesn't kick my ass for the delay. :-P
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Batman doesn't use any guns in the movie except for his grappling gun. He does use a lot of explosives though.

Also, I'm thinking Heath Ledger should receive the Nobel Prize for his performance, even though that's not what the Nobel Prize is for.
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Cielingcat wrote:
Batman doesn't use any guns in the movie except for his grappling gun. He does use a lot of explosives though.

Also, I'm thinking Heath Ledger should receive the Nobel Prize for his performance, even though that's not what the Nobel Prize is for.
Bullshit.

On the Batcycle, he is constantly using the guns to blow things out of his way, even firing into a crowded shopping mall to knock out a glass door!
I second his nomination for the Nobel Prize.

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Oh right, those guns. Forgot about the ones on his car/bike.
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Damn you for all those spoilers. It's eating me inside to see what's written, but i can't.
I'll have to wait a month to see it in the cinema b/c new movies don't usually come to Croatia during summer.
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Absentminded_Wizard wrote:
I could buy demolitions, since Batman's thing against guns was a psychological thing based on the fact that his parents were shot with a gun. Since Golden-Age Batman, at least, vowed to retire if he ever used a gun, profligate use of guns is kind of odd.
Wow, an all-spoiler discussion. Oh well.
You do know that Golden Age Batman originally carried the gun that killed his parents and used it on criminals as a form of poetic justice, right?
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I saw it yesterday. I found it to be quite the ride. There's not many slow moments in the two-and-a-half-hour run time.
Like everybody, I was impressed with Ledger's performance. I like that the Joker went from being a genius trickster-clown to an anarchist with a cheerfully cynical view of human nature and ideas about how to prove he's right. His 'social experiment' at the end of the movie was twisted, but it's actually an uplifting moment when he's proven wrong--by the criminals, no less.

Oh, and the chase scene/street fight was pure awesome.
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.

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angelfromanotherpin wrote:
Absentminded_Wizard wrote:
I could buy demolitions, since Batman's thing against guns was a psychological thing based on the fact that his parents were shot with a gun. Since Golden-Age Batman, at least, vowed to retire if he ever used a gun, profligate use of guns is kind of odd.
Wow, an all-spoiler discussion. Oh well.
You do know that Golden Age Batman originally carried the gun that killed his parents and used it on criminals as a form of poetic justice, right?
Yes, but that's not the Batman I know and want to see a movie about.

Game On,
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No spoilers from me.

I will give a brief review though:

Ledger's magnum opus.
Freeman is as funny as usual.
Best superhero movie ever made to this day.
Best movie of the year. Fuck, no, of this last decade. Only The Fountain and Royal Tenenbaums came this close to squeezing emotional investment out of me.

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I'll start out with a copy and paste of what I wrote on my MySpace about it. I'm putting it in spoiler tags, though you should be able to read it unless you really don't want to know *anything* about the movie before seeing it.
I saw The Dark Knight tonight (or last night, now) and it's as good as advertised. It may be the best superhero movie ever made. I figured I would come in at a disadvantage, since I never saw the first movie in this run of the franchise, Batman Begins. Fortunately, the film gave enough clues about the characters' past history that I was able to get up to speed.

The most obvious starting point for a review, given that this is the second Batman movie in two decades to feature The Joker, is a comparison between Heath Ledger's Joker and Jack Nicholson's interpretation of the role in the 1989 Tim Burton movieBatman. Though I didn't see anything that immediately struck me as Oscar-worthy in Ledger's performance (possibly because I've heard so much hype about it that my expectations were too high), it's arguably the best performance of a comic-book villain role ever. Ledger's performance is much more nuanced than Nicholson's (at least to the extent that a sociopathic nutjob character can be nuanced). While Nicholson was over-the-top and played up the cartoonish aspects of the character, Ledger's Joker is relatively blase about the psychotic things he's saying most of the time. That makes the trademark maniacal laughter all the more chilling when he actually brings it out.

Note that by ranking Ledger's performance ahead of Nicholson's, I don't intend to put down Nicholson's performance or Tim Burton's movie. In fact, the two Batman movies Tim Burton did with Michael Keaton (before Joel Schumacher came along to reduce the franchise to one step above lite musical theater) stand the test of time even today, in my opinion. And I will always have fond memories of Jack Nicholson's joker from my first round of college days. To me, the two visions of Batman given in those movies are two legitimate interpretations of the character that are both respectful of its roots. Batman has always been most at home in a nether realm where superhero comics meet hard-boiled detective fiction. Burton's movies were more focused on the superhero part of that sweet spot, while the rebooted franchise focuses more on the pulp detective aspects of the character. While Burton's movies were stylized comic-book myths, the new movies are set in a Gotham that resembles a contemporary big city and emphasize the politics of both the police department and big-time organized crime.

In fact, to a certain extent, one of the conflicts in The Dark Knight is the question of whether people in general are good or evil. One of the Joker's favorite tricks is to give the people of Gotham City incentive to kill one or more people and sit back to see if they'll do it. And the film keeps you in suspense about which side of the fence people mostly fall on right up until the end. I think it's this theme that is responsible for a lot of the critics' assessments that this movie marks the point where comic book movies grow up. The Dark Knight deals with questions of morality in responsibility in much deeper ways than Iron Man, and Iron Man was a pretty darn good movie. This is the difference between a pretty good movie and a great movie. This one's a classic. See it while it's still on the glorious big screen.
And now for one observation that I wouldn't post for public view on my blog, since it's too much of a spoiler:
It's interesting that they killed Two-Face in this movie but left the Joker alive. It's nice to see that they're not adhering to the rule of the original Batman movie franchise that the villain has to die every time. OTOH, Heath Ledger's untimely demise makes any return of the Joker problematic, as you would need an actor of Heath Ledger's (or at least Jack Nicholson's) caliber to convincingly step into the role.

Anyway, I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that Catwoman will be a major villain in the next film. After all, Batman's just lost his major female crush, so he really needs a hot female villain with a leather and whips fetish. :-P
angelfromanotherpin wrote:
]You do know that Golden Age Batman originally carried the gun that killed his parents and used it on criminals as a form of poetic justice, right?
Apparently for the first year or so of his existence. I'm assuming that the gun went away when he adopted Robin and became a paternal figure for America's youth. By the time Detective Comics #500 was published, it was well-established that Earth Two Batman wouldn't use a gun. Now, I don't know if they ever wrote in a change of heart or just did an unexplained retcon as Golden Age comics were wont to do. The point is, for well over 90% of Batman history, the idea of Batman wantonly using guns was anathema, and most people don't remember far back enough to have heard of the original gun-totin' Batman.

And I did notice that in The Dark Knight, Batman never actually shot a human being with a gun. He came pretty close when he was blowing the rear-view mirrors off of the cars, but he never actually hit anybody. Now it is odd that he put guns on his motorcycle just to shoot inanimate objects.
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But he got the motorcycle off a US military contractor and that totally would have had guns.

Anyway the movie was great, ledger was pretty good and is basically going to win the academy award and I totally age with ebert that batman (and to a degree iron man) have completely reshaped the future for comic book movies.

Also the watchman trailer is out and that better be atleast as good. Also Rorschach is my favourite superhero.
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Saw the movie. Only thing that spoiled a great experience was a 15 fvcking minute break Cinestar decided to put in so that all the sheep could buy popcorn n coke or light a smoke.
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I wish my theater had a break in the middle of the showing, I had to piss like a russian racehorse about three quarters of the way through the movie, but I didn't want to leave.
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Hah. My parents and my terminally-ill uncle went to see it yesterday, and the movie theater made a mistake and accidentally showed the first bit of X-files until someone went and complained.

Still, it's a long-ass movie. And made longer by the half-hour of trailers/commercials they put in front of it...
He jumps like a damned dragoon, and charges into battle fighting rather insane monsters with little more than his bare hands and rather nasty spell effects conjured up solely through knowledge and the local plantlife. He unerringly knows where his goal lies, he breathes underwater and is untroubled by space travel, seems to have no limits to his actual endurance and favors killing his enemies by driving both boots square into their skull. His agility is unmatched, and his strength legendary, able to fling about a turtle shell big enough to contain a man with enough force to barrel down a near endless path of unfortunates.

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One of the best crime dramas that I've ever seen. Ledger's Joker has more in common with Javier Bardem's Anton Chigurh than any "super-villain" in my memory.
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Nihlin wrote:One of the best crime dramas that I've ever seen. Ledger's Joker has more in common with Javier Bardem's Anton Chigurh than any "super-villain" in my memory.
Hmm. I disagree. Both were insane in their own unique way; Bardem's villain was at least individually competent and very focused. Ledger's Joker is a little to dependent upon hostages and throwing mooks in the way; I'd compare the latter more to something like a Bond villain high on 'embalming fluid' aka PCP.
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sigma999 wrote:Hmm. I disagree. Both were insane in their own unique way; Bardem's villain was at least individually competent and very focused. Ledger's Joker is a little to dependent upon hostages and throwing mooks in the way; I'd compare the latter more to something like a Bond villain high on 'embalming fluid' aka PCP.
Warning: while this contains no spoilers, it might well give you unrealistically high expectations.
My comments have nothing to do with the supposed competence or incompetence of the character's physical and literal acts, and everything to do with the effective portrayal of a terrifying person.

What the character literally accomplishes is largely in the realm of the scriptwriter, the director, and (nowadays) the special effects team, and I'm not very interested in commenting on that. This is rather with regards to what the actor has accomplished in making the character into an emotional reality.

Bardem and Ledger both portray men who have embraced a code of behavior and morality at utter odds with what we might term civil society, true psychopaths, and that's a difficult thing to accomplish and bring to life in a way that resonates emotionally. Comparing them to the endless list of Bond villains, I find that not one of Bond's adversaries has ever made a serious emotional impact on me in the fashion that Ledger and Bardem have.

From Goldfinger to Le Chiffre, the Bond villains might scare me if they had a gun pointed at me or such, but the mere fact of their existence isn't frightening to me. They are bad people, and they commit monstrous acts, but they are not portrayed such that they become monsters in my mind as well as on film. In contrast, Bardem and Ledger have both shown me men that shook me emotionally.
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Post by Neeeek »

Finally saw it this afternoon. I have one quibble:
The whole boat thing.

If you were on a ferry laced with explosives, and the guy who put said explosives on said ferry told you that you could save yourself by using a detonator that would blow up another ferry full of people, why would you believe him?

You already know he's completely out of his mind, why would you think he's playing straight this time? If I'm on there, I'm assuming he's lying and that each boat has the detonator to it's own ship.
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